Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic, the company that created Claude. Amanda Askell is an AI researcher working on Claude's character and personality. Chris Olah is an AI researcher working on mechanistic interpretability.
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EPISODE LINKS:
Claude: https://claude.ai
Anthropic's X: https://x.com/AnthropicAI
Anthropic's Website: https://anthropic.com
Dario's X: https://x.com/DarioAmodei
Dario's Website: https://darioamodei.com
Machines of Loving Grace (Essay): https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace
Chris's X: https://x.com/ch402
Chris's Blog: https://colah.github.io
Amanda's X: https://x.com/AmandaAskell
Amanda's Website: https://askell.io

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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(10:19) - Scaling laws
(19:25) - Limits of LLM scaling
(27:51) - Competition with OpenAI, Google, xAI, Meta
(33:14) - Claude
(36:50) - Opus 3.5
(41:36) - Sonnet 3.5
(44:56) - Claude 4.0
(49:07) - Criticism of Claude
(1:01:54) - AI Safety Levels
(1:12:42) - ASL-3 and ASL-4
(1:16:46) - Computer use
(1:26:41) - Government regulation of AI
(1:45:30) - Hiring a great team
(1:54:19) - Post-training
(1:59:45) - Constitutional AI
(2:05:11) - Machines of Loving Grace
(2:24:17) - AGI timeline
(2:36:52) - Programming
(2:43:52) - Meaning of life
(2:49:58) - Amanda Askell - Philosophy
(2:52:26) - Programming advice for non-technical people
(2:56:15) - Talking to Claude
(3:12:47) - Prompt engineering
(3:21:21) - Post-training
(3:26:00) - Constitutional AI
(3:30:53) - System prompts
(3:37:00) - Is Claude getting dumber?
(3:49:02) - Character training
(3:50:01) - Nature of truth
(3:54:38) - Optimal rate of failure
(4:01:49) - AI consciousness
(4:16:20) - AGI
(4:24:58) - Chris Olah - Mechanistic Interpretability
(4:29:49) - Features, Circuits, Universality
(4:47:23) - Superposition
(4:58:22) - Monosemanticity
(5:05:14) - Scaling Monosemanticity
(5:14:02) - Macroscopic behavior of neural networks
(5:18:56) - Beauty of neural networks

Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic, the company that created Claude. Amanda Askell is an AI researcher working on Claude's character and personality. Chris Olah is an AI researcher working on mechanistic interpretability.

Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic, the company that created Claude. Amanda Askell is an AI researcher working on Claude's character and personality. Chris Olah is an AI researcher working on mechanistic interpretability. 
Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep452-sc 
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Transcript: 
https://lexfridman.com/dario-amodei-transcript 
 
CONTACT LEX: 
Feedback - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey 
AMA - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama 
Hiring - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring 
Other - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact 
 
EPISODE LINKS: 
Claude: https://claude.ai 
Anthropic's X: https://x.com/AnthropicAI 
Anthropic's Website: https://anthropic.com 
Dario's X: https://x.com/DarioAmodei 
Dario's Website: https://darioamodei.com 
Machines of Loving Grace (Essay): https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace 
Chris's X: https://x.com/ch402 
Chris's Blog: https://colah.github.io 
Amanda's X: https://x.com/AmandaAskell 
Amanda's Website: https://askell.io 
 
SPONSORS: 
To support this podcast, check out our sponsors &amp; get discounts: 
Encord: AI tooling for annotation &amp; data management. 
Go to https://encord.com/lex 
Notion: Note-taking and team collaboration. 
Go to https://notion.com/lex 
Shopify: Sell stuff online. 
Go to https://shopify.com/lex 
BetterHelp: Online therapy and counseling. 
Go to https://betterhelp.com/lex 
LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. 
Go to https://drinkLMNT.com/lex 
 
OUTLINE: 
(00:00) - Introduction 
(10:19) - Scaling laws 
(19:25) - Limits of LLM scaling 
(27:51) - Competition with OpenAI, Google, xAI, Meta 
(33:14) - Claude 
(36:50) - Opus 3.5 
(41:36) - Sonnet 3.5 
(44:56) - Claude 4.0 
(49:07) - Criticism of Claude 
(1:01:54) - AI Safety Levels 
(1:12:42) - ASL-3 and ASL-4 
(1:16:46) - Computer use 
(1:26:41) - Government regulation of AI 
(1:45:30) - Hiring a great team 
(1:54:19) - Post-training 
(1:59:45) - Constitutional AI 
(2:05:11) - Machines of Loving Grace 
(2:24:17) - AGI timeline 
(2:36:52) - Programming 
(2:43:52) - Meaning of life 
(2:49:58) - Amanda Askell - Philosophy 
(2:52:26) - Programming advice for non-technical people 
(2:56:15) - Talking to Claude 
(3:12:47) - Prompt engineering 
(3:21:21) - Post-training 
(3:26:00) - Constitutional AI 
(3:30:53) - System prompts 
(3:37:00) - Is Claude getting dumber? 
(3:49:02) - Character training 
(3:50:01) - Nature of truth 
(3:54:38) - Optimal rate of failure 
(4:01:49) - AI consciousness 
(4:16:20) - AGI 
(4:24:58) - Chris Olah - Mechanistic Interpretability 
(4:29:49) - Features, Circuits, Universality 
(4:47:23) - Superposition 
(4:58:22) - Monosemanticity 
(5:05:14) - Scaling Monosemanticity 
(5:14:02) - Macroscopic behavior of neural networks 
(5:18:56) - Beauty of neural networks

#452 – Dario Amodei: Anthropic CEO on Claude, AGI & the Future of AI & Humanity