Rachel Johnson speaks to Sarah Sands, a British journalist and author and former editor of the London Evening Standard, she was editor of Today on BBC Radio 4 from 2017 to 2020.

In this LBC podcast, Rachel Johnson's Difficult Women, Rachel speaks with women who had to be a pain in the backside to get where they are today. Women who take the word difficult as a compliment not an insult. And women who had to fight, resist, insist, or otherwise be badly behaved in order to get things done.

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44 - Sarah Sands