Michelle Obama served as the First Lady of the United States, entering the White House alongside Barack Obama. In this candid conversation, she joins Steven with her brother Craig Robinson, a former college basketball coach turned executive, to open up about everything from Trump’s inauguration to marriage challenges, grief, and rediscovering her purpose.



Widely regarded as one of today’s most influential voices on leadership, identity, and social progress, Michelle offers a rare, intimate look at her personal journey.



Together, they discuss:


  
How their parents instilled empathy, discipline, and resilience growing up amid racial tension.



  
Michelle’s journey through elite schools and corporate law, driven by a need to tick society’s boxes.



  
The evolution of Michelle and Barack’s relationship, from colleagues to lifelong partners.



  
Fertility struggles, parenting tips, and what it really takes to sustain a long-term marriage.





  
Navigating life in the White House, grief, personal boundaries, and rediscovering her true calling.



00:00 Intro  

02:11 Michelle and Craig's Childhood  

04:48 Values Learned from Their Parents  

08:45 Michelle Skipping Second Grade  

12:16 The Role of Race in Their Childhood  

15:19 What "White Flight" Means  

17:01 Coping with Racism  

20:55 Overcoming Being Underestimated  

26:33 Michelle's Search for Identity  

30:20 Meeting Barack  

31:59 Introducing Barack to the Family  

33:48 Why Michelle Initially Rejected Barack  

37:28 Michelle's Career Change: Pursuing Joy  

40:52 Relationship with Barack  

44:56 Going to Counseling with Barack  

49:34 Pregnancy Struggles  

56:27 Hardest Moments in Their Marriage  

57:31 Barack Obama Runs for Public Office  

01:03:28 What I Should Have Said to Barack  

01:07:11 Being the First Black First Lady and Facing Scrutiny  

01:14:09 Reflections on a Sad Time  

01:15:17 Remembering Your Mother  

01:16:53 The Death of Your Mother  

01:18:36 Processing the Grief  

01:20:41 Not Attending Trump’s Inauguration  



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