Rich Barton is the co-founder and co-executive chairman of <a href="https://www.zillow.com/" target="_blank">Zillow</a>, a company transforming how people buy, sell, rent, and finance homes. Before Zillow, Rich founded Expedia within Microsoft in 1994 and successfully spun the company off as a public company in 1999. He served as president, CEO, and board director of Expedia and later co-founded and served as non-executive chairman of Glassdoor.Sponsors:<a href="https://ramp.com/tim" target="_blank">Ramp</a> easy-to-use corporate cards, bill payments, accounting, and more: <a href="https://ramp.com/tim" target="_blank">https://ramp.com/tim</a> (Get $250 when you join Ramp)<a href="https://cressetcapital.com/tim" target="_blank">Cresset</a> prestigious family office for CEOs, founders, and entrepreneurs: <a href="https://cressetcapital.com/tim" target="_blank">https://cressetcapital.com/tim</a> (book a call today)<a href="https://shopify.com/tim" target="_blank">Shopify</a> global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: <a href="https://shopify.com/tim" target="_blank">https://shopify.com/tim</a> (one-dollar-per-month trial period)Timestamps:[00:00:00] Start.[00:05:30] Eddy Cue magic.[00:06:14] Rich’s morning routine and workout philosophy.[00:13:38] How Brad Chase at Microsoft taught Rich to swing big.[00:15:46] The failed DOS for Dummies book bundle project.[00:18:52] Steering a company toward a culture of innovation.[00:20:26] Rich’s journey from management consulting to Microsoft.[00:24:34] How Expedia came to be.[00:32:32] Pitching and recruiting team talent.[00:37:18] Degree design at Stanford.[00:39:45] Realizing the value of real work as a youth.[00:41:44] A fascination with Italy.[00:43:01] Selling Expedia to Barry Diller/IAC.[00:43:51] Dara Khosrowshahi’s role in Expedia’s acquisition.[00:45:23] From a post-Expedia sale sabbatical in Italy to the birth of Zillow with Lloyd Frink.[00:55:41] “Big pond, good fishermen” as business criteria.[00:56:50] Early Zillow mistakes.[01:00:05] The Zestimate: Zillow’s killer feature.[01:01:29] Making lemonade from the lemons of Zillow’s launch day server crash.[01:03:49] Rich’s provocation marketing playbook.[01:05:30] Regulatory battles and resistance to industry disruption.[01:10:44] Founding Glassdoor and its “give to get” data collection model.[01:12:58] Avvo and rating attorneys — legal challenges as marketing.[01:16:11] Digital marketplaces and Google disintermediation concerns.[01:19:52] How Rich names companies to be memorable.[01:25:28] Why Rich recommends leaving fear out of the provocation marketing equation.[01:26:48] Working with Benchmark Capital.[01:30:37] What serving on a board looks like and Rich’s membership criteria: “Is it local? Is it fun? Is it lucrative?”[01:39:00] Rich’s motivation and regimen for staying healthy in his 50s.[01:47:13] Cultivating leadership through absence — the two-week disconnected trip.[01:49:34] Building a good company by keeping good company.[01:51:42] Developing the skill to fire people as a win/win proposition.[01:54:41] Rich’s family tattoo design and symbolism.[01:57:29] Advice for balancing family and professional life.[02:01:08] The benefits of distributed workforces post-pandemic.[02:03:23] Recommended reading.[02:12:17] Rich’s billboard.[02:14:25] The importance of sabbaticals and disconnecting from digital devices.[02:17:41] Taking up Procreate digital art during COVID.[02:19:05] Parting thoughts. *For show notes and past guests on <a href="https://tim.blog/podcast" target="_blank">The Tim Ferriss Show</a>, please visit <a href="https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=podcast-description" target="_blank">tim.blog/podcast</a>.For deals from sponsors of <a href="https://tim.blog/podcast" target="_blank">The Tim Ferriss Show</a>, please visit <a href="https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors" target="_blank">tim.blog/podcast-sponsors</a>Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at <a href="https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/" target="_blank">tim.blog/friday</a>.For transcripts of episodes, go to <a href="https://tim.blog/transcripts" target="_blank">tim.blog/transcripts</a>.Discover Tim’s books: <a href="https://tim.blog/books" target="_blank">tim.blog/books</a>.Follow Tim:Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/tferriss" target="_blank">twitter.com/tferriss</a> Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/timferriss/" target="_blank">instagram.com/timferriss</a>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/timferriss" target="_blank">youtube.com/timferriss</a>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/" target="_blank">facebook.com/timferriss</a> LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/timferriss" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/timferriss</a>Past guests on <a href="http://tim.blog/podcast" target="_blank">The Tim Ferriss Show</a> include <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/12/08/jerry-seinfeld/" target="_blank">Jerry Seinfeld</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/06/26/hugh-jackman/" target="_blank">Hugh Jackman</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/04/16/jane-goodall/" target="_blank">Dr. Jane Goodall</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2018/11/27/lebron-james-mike-mancias/" target="_blank">LeBron James</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/05/20/kevin-hart/" target="_blank">Kevin Hart</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2018/09/07/doris-kearns-goodwin-leadership/" target="_blank">Doris Kearns Goodwin</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2015/12/06/jamie-foxx/" target="_blank">Jamie Foxx</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/10/19/matthew-mcconaughey/" target="_blank">Matthew McConaughey</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2017/05/21/esther-perel/" target="_blank">Esther Perel</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/05/08/elizabeth-gilbert/" target="_blank">Elizabeth Gilbert</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2017/12/20/terry-crews-how-to-have-do-and-be-all-you-want/" target="_blank">Terry Crews</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/08/12/sia/" target="_blank">Sia</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/10/27/yuval-noah-harari/" target="_blank">Yuval Noah Harari</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2016/06/21/malcolm-gladwell/" target="_blank">Malcolm Gladwell</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/05/27/secretary-madeleine-albright/" target="_blank">Madeleine Albright</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2017/03/30/cheryl-strayed/" target="_blank">Cheryl Strayed</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2019/02/18/jim-collins/" target="_blank">Jim Collins</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/11/11/mary-karr/" target="_blank">Mary Karr,</a> <a href="https://tim.blog/2014/10/21/brain-pickings/" target="_blank">Maria Popova</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/05/15/sam-harris-2/" target="_blank">Sam Harris</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2021/01/21/michael-phelps-grant-hackett/" target="_blank">Michael Phelps</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/01/16/bob-iger/" target="_blank">Bob Iger</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2019/10/31/edward-norton-motherless-brooklyn/" target="_blank">Edward Norton</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2015/02/02/arnold-schwarzenegger/" target="_blank">Arnold Schwarzenegger</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2014/06/24/neil-strauss/" target="_blank">Neil Strauss</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2019/09/12/ken-burns/" target="_blank">Ken Burns</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2017/08/26/maria-sharapova/" target="_blank">Maria Sharapova</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2016/05/29/marc-andreessen/" target="_blank">Marc Andreessen</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2019/03/28/neil-gaiman/" target="_blank">Neil Gaiman</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2019/10/03/neil-degrasse-tyson/" target="_blank">Neil de Grasse Tyson</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2016/09/21/jocko-willink-on-discipline-leadership-and-overcoming-doubt/" target="_blank">Jocko Willink</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/12/03/daniel-ek/" target="_blank">Daniel Ek</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/09/08/kelly-slater/" target="_blank">Kelly Slater</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2019/11/27/peter-attia-fasting-metformin-longevity/" target="_blank">Dr. Peter Attia</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2016/02/10/seth-godin/" target="_blank">Seth Godin</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2018/09/25/howard-marks/" target="_blank">Howard Marks</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/02/06/brene-brown-striving-self-acceptance-saving-marriages/" target="_blank">Dr. Brené Brown</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2019/04/09/eric-schmidt/" target="_blank">Eric Schmidt</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/05/01/michael-lewis/" target="_blank">Michael Lewis</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2018/03/08/joe-gebbia-co-founder-of-airbnb/" target="_blank">Joe Gebbia</a>, <a 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Ravikant</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2021/03/08/vitalik-buterin-naval-ravikant/" target="_blank">Vitalik Buterin</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2021/03/16/elizabeth-lesser/" target="_blank">Elizabeth Lesser</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2019/04/18/amanda-palmer-2/" target="_blank">Amanda Palmer</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2021/02/18/katie-haun/" target="_blank">Katie Haun</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2017/10/09/richard-branson/" target="_blank">Sir Richard Branson</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2020/09/02/chuck-palahniuk/" target="_blank">Chuck Palahniuk</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2017/10/18/arianna-huffington/" target="_blank">Arianna Huffington</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2015/08/31/the-oracle-of-silicon-valley-reid-hoffman-plus-michael-mccullough/" target="_blank">Reid Hoffman</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2017/09/17/bill-burr/" target="_blank">Bill Burr</a>, <a href="https://tim.blog/2015/06/26/whitney-cummings/" target="_blank">Whitney Cummings</a>, <a 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Rich Barton is the co-founder and co-executive chairman of Zillow, a company transforming how people buy, sell, rent, and finance homes. Before Zillow, Rich founded Expedia within Microsoft in 1994 and successfully spun the company off as a public company in 1999. He served as president, CEO, and board director of Expedia and later co-founded and served as non-executive chairman of Glassdoor.

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Timestamps:

[00:00:00] Start.

[00:05:30] Eddy Cue magic.

[00:06:14] Rich’s morning routine and workout philosophy.

[00:13:38] How Brad Chase at Microsoft taught Rich to swing big.

[00:15:46] The failed DOS for Dummies book bundle project.

[00:18:52] Steering a company toward a culture of innovation.

[00:20:26] Rich’s journey from management consulting to Microsoft.

[00:24:34] How Expedia came to be.

[00:32:32] Pitching and recruiting team talent.

[00:37:18] Degree design at Stanford.

[00:39:45] Realizing the value of real work as a youth.

[00:41:44] A fascination with Italy.

[00:43:01] Selling Expedia to Barry Diller/IAC.

[00:43:51] Dara Khosrowshahi’s role in Expedia’s acquisition.

[00:45:23] From a post-Expedia sale sabbatical in Italy to the birth of Zillow with Lloyd Frink.

[00:55:41] “Big pond, good fishermen” as business criteria.

[00:56:50] Early Zillow mistakes.

[01:00:05] The Zestimate: Zillow’s killer feature.

[01:01:29] Making lemonade from the lemons of Zillow’s launch day server crash.

[01:03:49] Rich’s provocation marketing playbook.

[01:05:30] Regulatory battles and resistance to industry disruption.

[01:10:44] Founding Glassdoor and its “give to get” data collection model.

[01:12:58] Avvo and rating attorneys — legal challenges as marketing.

[01:16:11] Digital marketplaces and Google disintermediation concerns.

[01:19:52] How Rich names companies to be memorable.

[01:25:28] Why Rich recommends leaving fear out of the provocation marketing equation.

[01:26:48] Working with Benchmark Capital.

[01:30:37] What serving on a board looks like and Rich’s membership criteria: “Is it local? Is it fun? Is it lucrative?”

[01:39:00] Rich’s motivation and regimen for staying healthy in his 50s.

[01:47:13] Cultivating leadership through absence — the two-week disconnected trip.

[01:49:34] Building a good company by keeping good company.

[01:51:42] Developing the skill to fire people as a win/win proposition.

[01:54:41] Rich’s family tattoo design and symbolism.

[01:57:29] Advice for balancing family and professional life.

[02:01:08] The benefits of distributed workforces post-pandemic.

[02:03:23] Recommended reading.

[02:12:17] Rich’s billboard.

[02:14:25] The importance of sabbaticals and disconnecting from digital devices.

[02:17:41] Taking up Procreate digital art during COVID.

[02:19:05] Parting thoughts. 

*

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