Where will Meta, Apple, and Google be three years from now? It's starting to look like they might all be very different. Nilay, David, and The Verge's Richard Lawler start the show with Eddy Cue's testimony in the Google search trial, in which Cue argued that AI is taking over — and that Google should be allowed to keep paying Apple gobs of money. The hosts also chat about the latest in the Meta trials, and how the recent Apple ruling is already changing the App Store. Then, there are some gadgets to talk about: the panopticon-slash-killer-app coming for Meta's smart glasses, the new Surface Pro and Surface Laptop, and a lot of new iPhones. In the lightning round, we do another round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, then talk about some new Netflix designs and the latest in our worldwide hunt for party speakers.

Further reading:


  
Eddy Cue is fighting to save Apple’s $20 billion paycheck from Google



  
Apple’s Eddy Cue: ‘You may not need an iPhone 10 years from now’



  
Google searches are falling in Safari for the first time ever — probably because of AI

Google's statement about Search traffic

Apple is looking at adding Perplexity and other AI search engines to Safari

Amazon now has a ‘Get book’ button in its iOS Kindle app

Epic will use an EU account to bring Fortnite back to the US App Store

Patreon’s iOS update allows creators to bypass in-app purchases

Apple is trying to halt the App Store ruling.

Apple files appeal to wrest back control of its App Store

A new bill would force Apple to allow third-party app storesDOJ’s proposed Google changes would ‘deeply undermine user trust,’ search chief says

Firefox could be doomed without Google search deal, says executive

DOJ asks court to split up Google’s ad tech empire

Threads was originally going to live inside the Instagram app | The Verge

Instagram doesn’t want to be a ‘lean-back experience.’ | The Verge

‘TikTok is probably the fiercest competition that we have faced.’ | The Verge

Instagram has spent up to $700 million in a year to lure creators.

Mosseri calls the first version of Reels his ‘biggest mistake.’ | The Verge

Meta’s new AI glasses could have a ‘super-sensing’ mode with facial recognition

Apple is planning smart glasses with and without AR

Apple ‘iPhone Air’ rumor suggests a bigger screen coming in 2027

Apple may stagger next year’s iPhones to make way for a foldable

Microsoft’s smaller Surface Pro has a 12-inch display and starts at $799

Microsoft shrinks its Surface Laptop down to 13 inches, priced at $899

Microsoft’s new Surface devices ditch magnetic charging port for USB-C

How Microsoft shrunk its Surface devices

Policing News, Policing DEI: The FCC’s Shifting Priorities Erode Its Credibility

OpenAI abandons plan to become a for-profit company

Netflix is getting a big TV revamp

Netflix will try a TikTok-like feed on its mobile app

I put four robot lawnmowers through a brutal backyard battle




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The Verge's Richard Lawler joins the show to talk about the Google search trial, in which Eddy Cue argued that Google should be allowed to keep paying Apple gobs of money.

Why Apple is trying to save Google